Episode Transcript
[00:00:18] Speaker A: Hey.
[00:00:18] Speaker B: Hey, friends. I got very lucky in business. My business partner, Emily Hepner, not only is one of my favorite people, but the trust and respect I have for her as a business owner continues to grow. Each year we work together. On this episode, we talk about our relationship dynamics and how it helps us operate our business. Each day, our relationship is stronger because of all the work we did before we actually decided to open up shop. And we compare this to a lot of the conversations we have with our clients before they say, I do so enjoy.
[00:01:05] Speaker A: I feel like this was a crazy week.
[00:01:07] Speaker C: This was. I feel like every week is a crazy week.
[00:01:11] Speaker A: This week was exceptionally busy or chaotic, but in a good way. I don't know. It just felt like a busy week, but I'm so glad it's Friday.
[00:01:18] Speaker C: Oh, Friday is the best, for sure.
Yeah, it was crazy. I mean, you had some really crazy court cases this week. That was my week last week, so for me, it was a little more mellow, but, yeah.
[00:01:32] Speaker A: Yeah. I feel like when I have a lot of core or mediation, where we're both kind of locked in our offices, the week always feels that much busier because I don't get to see you, and it's like, oh, my gosh, I've been so busy, I haven't even seen you for five minutes.
I mean, we only have two days that we overlap in the office, but still, like, you know.
[00:01:52] Speaker C: Yeah, it's rough when we don't see each other at all those two days.
[00:01:55] Speaker A: Yeah. Well, um, thanks for sitting down and chatting with me even more today, even though we just got off an hour. Business meeting as well.
[00:02:03] Speaker C: Of course. Just an extension. I always love chatting with you.
[00:02:08] Speaker A: So one thing that comes up when we talk about premarital planning with our clients, we talk about business building with our clients, is there's this common theme of the work that you need to do with whoever you're legally binding yourself to before you do that. Right. It's the prep work. The prep work, the conversations, the brainstorming, and then ultimately putting things into an agreement. So what I want to hear, from your perspective, and we've talked about this over the years in different ways, I think it's come up, but I want to hear specifically from you, why you chose to build a business partnership, not necessarily with me, but a business partnership in general, versus opening up a firm on your own.
[00:02:54] Speaker C: So I've always wanted to have my own practice, not meaning solo, but be a partner, be an owner in the business, and there is just such a huge financial risk it's scary.
And when I was feeling ready to make the move, it still was something completely new here. I went to school for so long to be an attorney, I didn't go to school necessarily specifically to become a business owner. And so taking that leap and all of the risk involved and doing it on my own, I just can't imagine doing that. Having a partnership, having someone else there to support me, to be excited with me, to share that experience with, was something I always wanted to have.
Especially when you think about once you're in the business and you have clients and, you know, at the beginning, assuming we ever got clients, but we did get clients, and then having people or having a partner to talk about the cases with, I felt it would make me a better attorney for my clients. And I certainly feel that way now. Almost six years into it, I can provide a more well rounded experience for my clients, having the benefit of conferring with my partner. I know no knock on solo practitioners, but for me, I need to have that interaction, and it helps me be a better attorney and a better business owner.
[00:04:27] Speaker A: Yeah. And we, I mean, we have conversations about cases all the time, just brainstorming what cases we want to be taking.
And on top of that, I think a big, a big portion of the work that we did before we actually opened was, what do we want our dynamic to be like? Right.
How are we going to be able to go on vacation? How are we going to make business decisions? How are we going to structure growth and make decisions when it comes to that? And I knew, I felt like I could have done a solo firm, my personality, but did I want to? Does that sound fun? Does that.
That didn't allow me to grow both as a professional and attorney individual, because I'm also constantly challenged by you, your knowledge, your perspective, which helps me run a business better. It helps me serve clients cases better. Kind of like you were just saying, you know, you get to brainstorm and have a different perspective. We're just different enough in a lot of those places that we're not just constantly agreeing with each other and just saying, yeah, that sounds great. You're doing great. Yes, let's do this. We are often coming from different places and have different views on things, which just gives us a better overview. And so when I was kind of going back and forth, when I knew, I was like, I gotta get out of here. Where I was, I needed a new situation.
And once I knew you were there, I was like, yes, like, this is what's going to work. We're going to be able to have the lifestyle that we've kind of always brainstormed and we can go on vacations and have somebody to pick up the slack for us so it doesn't all fall in the weight of just one of us. And, I mean, I think that that was a huge driver for me, for sure.
[00:06:19] Speaker C: Yeah, definitely. Sharing. Sharing in the. I wouldn't say burden, but the work, which we're both excited about the work. We both wanted to do the work, but also having someone to do it with and to share in all the excitement and the fun. Whether or not we could do it on our own. I mean, I look back at those first few months of us starting our practice, and it's like maybe it was the honeymoon phase, I don't know. But, yeah, it was so much fun and. And so I felt so much freedom and empowered and just excited about my career and where we could go and that I was doing all of that with you and so confident about the person I was doing it with made it all that much better.
[00:07:07] Speaker A: So how did you know that I was the right one? How did you know it was me?
[00:07:12] Speaker C: I don't. I don't think anybody knows.
I mean, that's. It's a leap of faith in a business, just like it is in a marriage. You know, you use your best judgment.
I'd known you for a long time, but I really didn't get to know you until we jumped into this partnership together.
[00:07:34] Speaker A: Yeah. That's one thing that sometimes people assume, right? That you, like, oh, you met this person in law school and you guys were really close friends, and then you opened a business. And that's not exactly how things worked out for us. I mean, we met in law school. We definitely got along. We hung out. But I wouldn't have said by the time graduation came around that we were friends. We were people that were in the same industry. We both were going to go into family law. Um, we, you had done part time, I had transferred. So we were kind of like in this special little category of students.
And then we met up for dinner every once in a while. And I knew I enjoyed being around you, and I knew you were good at your job. I knew you loved what you were going to do. And I think it took those, you know, this first, what, the three or four months before we actually opened, like, when we were working all day. And then we'd meet up and, you know, do logos and do websites and kind of dabble in all of that. I think that is where we instantly kind of built our deeper friendship and understanding because we had to go through all these hard conversations like, hey, what do we want this to look like? What happens if we don't want to do this anymore? One of us wants to leave the partnership, or we're not getting along? We had to go through that whole exercise and be, I mean, the whole exercise before we even, you know, built a partnership agreement and signed off on it, but.
[00:08:56] Speaker C: Mm hmm.
[00:08:57] Speaker A: Um, and I think, oh, I'm gonna. I'm gonna answer a question. I'm gonna ask you first in this way, because you know how I like to talk all the time. Um, I'm familiar how I can, you know, take over an office meeting, um, pretty quickly. But I think my favorite thing about you, meaning what I think your greatest asset is to the partnership, and in turn, obviously, to me as your partner, is that you are not quick to take action in a way that is, I think, protective of decision making, meaning you are the one that's easier to say, let's take a beat. Let's figure it out. Let's take a pause. Let's outline, you know, like, I'm not quite ready to pull the trigger on that, because I am. So let's go. Let's do it. Let's do that. And sometimes that's helpful. I mean, as part of my dynamic, that is helpful. And I think there's some decisions that can be made that way and don't need more time. But I think I would make all the decisions that way on gut, and there are a lot of times when we need to step back and slow down, and that's another one of those attributes when you're looking for a partner, that you kind of need that balance. And I think that's where we work well together a lot.
Um, and I'm appreciative of that because I I've learned how to slow down myself in the right ways. I'm still always going to be that person, which, again, I think we need. That's the balance. But I'm very appreciative of that, because that's been a skill that I've learned. I've taken not only in our partnership, in the way that I'm more patient with clients, more patient with casework. And you don't really know those things until you spend a lot of time with somebody. Right. Like, you don't really know.
[00:10:49] Speaker C: Yeah. It's funny, because if I had to answer the same question about you as far as what do I think is your best quality or the best thing that you bring to our partnership. I would say exactly what you were just saying about yourself. I love how you're always ready. Not just ready, you're driven. You always want to move things forward.
And I can get comfortable.
Not that I'm not hard working. I am, but I don't always feel the need to keep pushing into new areas, exploring new options, whether it's business, whether it's legal. And you always keep us moving forward, keep me thinking about new things. I definitely have to pump the brakes sometimes and be like, okay, give me a little time to think about it and we'll see which way we'll go.
But I love that there's always something new to think about. And I think a huge reason our business has grown the way it has is that you keep pushing it to drive forward. And I am happy to, like, be along for the ride is what it feels like sometimes in a very positive way because I would sit back and be comfortable. You know, we've got the business. We've built, we've got associates, we've got clients.
And, and it's very easy to just continue to ride along with what we've already built. But it's also really exciting still to consider new options that you find. I don't know how you find them. I wonder if you ever sleep. But I love that about you. And I think it does bring a really great balance to us because I slow you down and you speed me up and it works well, I think it's a great example of why our business has grown in a steady manner. That it has.
[00:12:45] Speaker A: Yeah. And I think some people could think that our different speeds when it comes to decision making, and maybe business growth could slow us down because we're in a state of inaction. And the great part about that is I do think that when we're, when somebody brings up something, a decision we need to make or a change we need to make, we don't let it linger. Because I want one thing and you're not ready for it. We just decide we're not going to do that then, or we are going to do that. We don't just stay in a state of limbo for too long because that. I think we both agree that inaction is just a business killer. You either have to make a decision not to make that change or make the decision to make that change within a shorter window of time, or it's going to linger over us. And I think that's why we work well together, because we don't allow that to slow down our business decisions, we just have to work in a little compromise, brainstorm what's right for us, whether that's what I'm proposing or you're proposing or something in the middle.
[00:13:48] Speaker C: Yeah, I agree. And I think. I think that's a great example of how it's important to also let go of an idea. Sometimes making the decision to say, okay, no, that's not going to work. Instead of always shelving something, I think, you know, we come up with new things, usually you, and we talk about it and, and there's different versions of either, yes, let's move forward with it. We both love the idea, let's go, or, I need more time to think, or. But we need to come back to it quickly, or just an absolute no. But having a direction with all of those options, I think, really helps us move forward.
[00:14:30] Speaker A: Yeah. And I. There's never been a time where I'm like, hey, this is my suggestion. I think this is what you. We need to do. And you're like, absolutely no. And I'm sitting there going, well, I don't agree with you. What are. That's never happened. It's been like, okay, let me, let's think through this. Ask questions, brainstorm, and maybe we both get to know. I mean, I think there's been a handful of times, too, that I can think of where I'm, like, brainstorming an idea. I think it's good. We talk about it, and then it's like, okay, that's not actually going to serve us once we talk it out. But I. That's my process. My process is sometimes, if something even sparks an interest, I'm going to share it with you and figure out whether or not that's a good asset to our business or not an unhelpful asset to our business. And then we usually are getting to know together. And I guess this is a better question for you. Have I ever met, made you feel like you've had to say yes to something you didn't want to?
[00:15:25] Speaker C: No. No. I think that's one of the great things, and I hope you feel the same way you do that.
[00:15:34] Speaker A: I don't think so.
[00:15:35] Speaker C: Yeah, it's.
I think we complement each other well, because I don't like to make a lot of decisions. I get myself all worked up about it, and I go back and forth and I'll flip flop Wayne, the pros and the cons, and you're much more decisive or opinionated about things, and it works really well because I. I am very happy to go along. I, we are on the same page with things. So generally, if you're making a decision or have an opinion about something and throw it out to me, I'm, I'm usually happy to go along with it. And if I'm not feeling it, if it's not jiving with me, and I say that I have a firm opinion, you're always very respectful of that as well. And so I've never felt like I have to give in. I think we've had maybe one time, yeah, maybe one time where both of us were like, no, I really want this, or the other one. No, I really that, which we still sort it out, but we really compromise and mesh well together in our decision making. And I think a lot of that comes down to how we communicate and share and work through the process of these decisions together.
[00:17:04] Speaker B: I have helped so many people start their marriage off right with a premarital agreement. But going through this process, people, time and time again, I have learned that just getting a premarital agreement left gaps in the premarital planning process. It was my job to handle the legal and practical outcomes of the process, including preparing what I consider to be a type of marriage insurance to reduce conflict and the amount of money the parties may spend in the event of divorce. But what about the hard conversations that don't necessarily make their way into a prenup? This is why I created marry me smart, a premarital planning method that guides you through the important steps to take before you say I do so you can build a solid foundation for successful and lasting marriage. Marrying smart is now live and available for purchase and for a limited time, is $100 off my marry me smart premarital planning course guides you and your partner through hard, uncomfortable conversations you need to have before you walk down the aisle. From finances to children, housework expectations, family dynamics holidays, and outlines the legal considerations every couple should know. This is what I call the discuss and disclose phase of marry me smart. Now you can take it one step further with phase two, which is the smart start marital operating agreement course. Take everything you talked about in the first course and work it into a marital operating agreement that is aimed at how you, too, intend to navigate certain decisions throughout your marriage. You will get a guided training as well as a customizable word document to edit and save for yourselves.
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[00:19:14] Speaker A: Yeah, because the great thing about owning a business with somebody else is that you. You have that sounding board. But we're also able to put together a, I think, a better experience for clients, like we talked about on top of our employees who get a little bit of different energy from both of us. I mean, if it. I always think that I don't like to kind of reinforce this idea that, like, strong willed women are difficult.
Um, but, like, I'm not for everybody. Right. I don't try to make myself for everybody.
And we've been able to build a staff that appreciates that aspect of. Of me and appreciates your approach to things where it's like, everybody meshes so well together because we have energy that's all focused on the same goal. I don't feel like I have to be somebody I'm not for. For you or the staff that we, we have brought in. Um, and I'm not trying to, like, hint the fact that people, like, I'm a bitch or. Or, like, a terrible boss. Cause I don't think that I'm that way at all. I just am. I know my personality, and I'm not for everybody. I can be very, like, short. I can be really directly. Sometimes I'll show frustration. People think it's at them. It's not. It's just me. And that never phases you because, you know, in the right moment, like, it. If I had to constantly cater to somebody that was taking everything I did personally or sensitive, I would be exhausted. Right. I have to be able to be exactly who I am, get things out, say it the way. And I. It's. It's all that balance of, like, well, we're in a work place, and it's like, well, no, I own this business. We built this business for a reason. My personality is part of the business we're building. And you've always been that, like, reassuring energy to be like, no, that is. I mean, you are my partner for a reason. That is what you are good at. This is what you bring to the table. Never felt like I had to change the way that I operate. We've definitely grown together and made changes to the way we've operated by agreement. So that we can better ourselves and our team and the way that we produce for our clients, but from an energy perspective. And that's really important because I need to be comfortable in my space to be exactly who I am, just like you do.
[00:21:44] Speaker C: I totally agree. I think.
I think it shines to all of our staff about that. The comments I hear back from the staff, I think they really see how well we work together and, you know, having that strong foundation, the fact that we're able to both be ourselves. When a new employee comes in and we can say, chelsea's not a bitch, she might have resting bitch face, but it's just impacted her, she'll move past it and she's really happy you came in and asked a question. Just get into your question.
[00:22:19] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:22:20] Speaker C: The fact that we can joke about things like that, we can be open and honest about ourselves and, you know, I. I need the staff to remind me of things all the time because I'm going to get distracted and move on to something else. So they'll ask me about something and I'll say, yes, I'll get to that. And when I don't, in an hour, come back and remind me. They never have to do that with you. And they do learn the differences with both of us. And I think that's another way that we work well together, is your strong suits. And my strong suits are different and they complement each other. And I feel like I'm a better attorney and a better business owner because I've been working with you and learning from you and the skills that you have.
[00:23:06] Speaker A: No, I mean, I totally agree. And same with you, because, again, my. I know where my weaknesses are, and patience wasn't one of them. Um, I think we joked about this recently that my patience level has changed substantially since having a child. I have a toddler now, and you, you just have to have endless patients. And at the same time, I have zero patience for things that waste my time. Right. And that has been a con that's been a constant since we opened, and our staff knows that, like, so if you're going to come bother me, you better bother. Come bother me with a question you really don't know the answer to. But this kind of takes me to another question, which is, what tips from our working relationship do you think translate into a marital relationship?
[00:23:56] Speaker C: I mean, I'd say a lot of what we just talked about, communication being the biggest one, being open and honest, talking about the hard stuff and finding a resolution, not shelving it, I think all of that is so important.
I love that. If we ever have a problem, there's been times where we have an issue with the way the other partner is handling something, we don't let it linger.
We have an open communication where I can come to you and say, hey, this happened, and I didn't feel good about it, and you can come to me and say the same thing. And I think it's wonderful that the few times that has happened, the other person always is like, oh, my God, thank you for telling me. I had no idea that this was even on your mind or that I was even doing anything that could be perceived that way. I'm glad you brought it to my attention.
Find a resolution and move forward. And even if the result was, well, that's how I am, and I think that's not going to change. We would be able to handle that, too. I think it's far more important that you communicate about it, and it's the same way in a marriage. If there's an issue and you don't address it, it's gonna remain an issue, and it's just gonna build, and it's gonna fester.
And I think from day one of when I could say, we met for dinner and you proposed to me to be your work wife, we started our.
[00:25:30] Speaker A: Planning, semi begged you to be my work wife.
[00:25:34] Speaker C: I obviously said yes.
You know, we started. We spent three months talking about this, and we were laying out the plan for everything that we wanted to do going forward. What did we see five years from now? What did we see ten years from now? What did we want from our partner? What did we want from our firm? How big would it be? Where would the location be? All of these things that we talked about was just laying a foundation for excellent communication between the two of us, which I think really built a strong foundation that we've been able to grow on.
[00:26:11] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, we exchanged credit reports. We made sure we understood what debts the other person had, not because the partnership necessarily would be liable, but, like, when you're joining financial decisions like that and building a business where money that you earn is going to be available to the other person to access.
And like I said at the beginning, we were friends, but, like, not in a way that, like, I really knew what was going on, you know, in your life. But we said, like, look, this is my financial situation. This is how I handle finances. We talked about, you know, what would happen to the partnership in the event one of us got divorced. We talked about, you know, how this would impact us. We talked about so many different decision making. We brainstormed the life that we wanted for ourselves and how that needed to be built from the business we were creating together.
And this is the part where when I talk to couples who are either wanting to get a prenup or maybe just couples kind of out in the world who are getting married, is.
There is no formal process for people to really do this. Right. But signing a partnership agreement is a legally binding contract between you and I. Right. We are legally bound multiple ways. Right. Like, we. We've had. We have this relationship. Thankfully, we're friends as well, on top of that, and we get along great, but. And we enjoy spending time together. There's all these extra benefits that we got from this process, but we are legally bound by this contract. Now, there's not some certificate that we filed with the county. Right, in the same way where you have a marriage license, you get a license and you get a marriage certificate when you actually are married. And there's these laws, but that process is exactly the same. And there's not these conversations that people are having. Maybe they get a prenup, which obviously we're huge advocates for, and that handles a big legal part of it. But on top of that, people usually, premarital counseling is nuts. Crazy popular. And any kind of formal premarital planning is not super popular. And I feel like I look back and I could have never just, like, signed some generic partnership agreement and jumped into this with you. Okay. Even knowing what I know about you now, I couldn't have made that decision without the months of conversations that we had. We had an agenda every night. I remember it was like Wednesdays, and we would meet on Wednesday nights right after work until, like eight, nine o'clock. And sometimes there was wine, sometimes there wasn't. Sometimes it was focused. But we had an agenda. Like, hey, we're tackling this today. We're going to have these conversations today. And so by the time we were ready to pull the trigger, and we actually had to pull the trigger a little faster than we thought, we. There was nothing left that wasn't on the table for us. And that. I use this conversation a lot when I'm talking to people about premarital planning, and they're just like, well, we dated for so many years. Yes, but dating doesn't bind you to somebody legally. That is a whole different ballgame. And I think this is kind of always, like, the perfect parallel when I talk to clients, which is like, Emily and I kind of. It was kind of like an arranged marriage where, except where we did have. We did kind of know each other, but we had. We had the short period of time to, like, get to know each other. And I think in three months, we became two of the best friends because of those deeper conversations. It wasn't just about business, you guys, like, I. We talked about our families. We talked about what we wanted in the future. We, you know, at the time, I was like, oh, I'm not having kids. You don't worry about that. Yeah, things change. But we talked about our lives. Yeah, but we talked about our lives and got to know each other. Something like, can I sit in a room in a building and work with this person every day? And by the time we were ready to do that, I was like, absolutely. And if things don't work out, we had a plan in place to step away from our partnership and dissolve it without wanting to, you know, strangle each other. And that was really important.
[00:30:14] Speaker C: Yeah, I think. I think that's the key part, what you just said at the end, that if it didn't work out, we had a plan in place. It made me feel more confident going into it with you, because I feel exactly the same way and do the same thing with my prenuptial cases. I have numerous times brought up our partnership agreement, our operating agreement, and said, it's basically the same thing. She is my work wife. You know, we entered into this agreement, and that's more or less our prenuptial agreement. If we break up, this is how it's going to happen, and it's important to talk about all these things. And it can be exciting. It can be fun. It's, you know, prenups have such a negative connotation to them, but they don't have a. To, you know, as we planned everything, it was exciting to think about what we wanted in the future and where we saw the business going. And I think it was great to make sure we were in line with where we wanted the business to go. Now, granted, our business has gone in a totally different direction than we planned in, but we've done that together still. And I think that does come back to, we've communicated about it the whole time and been able to stay on the same page whole time. And I think that all started by those difficult conversations at the beginning about, okay, if we break up, who, who gets the website, who gets the phone number, all of those things. It's so much easier to talk about when you still have respect and love for someone that can be overshadowed if you're going through the divorce process. Just like, if you're ending a business, there's other emotions that come in. And I think it was really helpful and made me feel more confident in taking that leap to start the business with you, knowing that I know where you want to go. I know where I want to go. I think this is going to work. And if unfortunately it doesn't, we still have a plan for that, too.
[00:32:17] Speaker A: Yeah. And I mean, I think some people say, or what I think people don't realize is partnerships break up all the time, and they can break up in really nasty, expensive ways. It's just not a sexy topic. Like divorce. Right. Like, it's not something that's constantly out there, but based on the people we've talked to, partner and what we've seen, just even with colleagues of ours, like, partnerships break up all the time.
[00:32:42] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:32:43] Speaker A: And what we were committed to is trying to eliminate any pain points that were going to put us at odds in a emotional way. Meaning how? Like, how are we going to handle this and then put structure in that says, if there is something that's just not working, we aren't going to sit here and try to blame the other person for walking away or making a choice.
We both are very supportive of the lives that we have outside of our jobs, right. Outside of the business, to say, like, hey, if you feel like you need to walk away and make some. Make a decision that's right for you now, I don't. This seems like an impossible thing to happen for us now, right? Sitting in it and where we are in our business, like, oh, this is never going to happen. But we had the conversation to say, like, if that was the case, I could be like, if that's right for you, then let's. Let's get this process going so that we can dissolve a business with respect.
And while I understand that an end of a marriage definitely has a different layer, right. It often has children. It often has just so many different aspects. Your friend groups, your family dynamics. There's a lot. And that causes pain. Pain causes anger, anger causes resentment. And that's why, you know, people spend so much money on their divorce. But at least a prenup can try to eliminate as many pain points as possible so that if you're arguing, you're only arguing about a small percentage of things as best as you possibly can, so that you each can say, hey, we loved each other once, we respected each other once. That's changed, but we each need to move on with our lives. And that, I think not only because it's the industry we're in. But I think that's the way we try to help our clients view things when they're doing prenups or even when they're already in the divorce process. Like, look, this isn't worth it. You've decided to get a divorce. You're going your separate ways. Don't you want to get that done sooner than later, even if it means giving up something here and there? And I. That's totally easier said than done. People like it is. I get it. I haven't been divorced, and I haven't even dissolved a partnership of myself. Right. Like, that's my experience. Emily has different experiences that she brings to our relationship as well and to her cases and the thing, the way that she connects with her clients. But that's. That's kind of it. And I've always felt like we are. The way that we approach building our partnership is kind of the perfect example of what people really need to do to build a strong marriage or a marriage that, if it will end, is not going to end with an explosion.
[00:35:22] Speaker C: Yeah, I agree. And I think both of those points are so important and why a prenuptial agreement is so helpful and really essential to a marriage, because it does help build a stronger marriage, which is the positive side that so many people take negatively, that you're just planning for it to end, and that's not the case at all. Yeah, I think the process we went through to develop our agreement made us so much stronger, and it does the same thing for marriages.
And then it also does give some protection to. To ease the pain if it does have to end.
[00:36:04] Speaker A: Yeah, I totally agree. Well, I feel like we could talk for like 5 million hour because we never get this much time just to chit chat between ourselves.
But thank you for sitting down and chatting with me today.
[00:36:18] Speaker C: Absolutely. It was a pleasure. I love the time that we actually get just one on one. We never get this.
[00:36:23] Speaker A: I know. It's so hard these days with the staff and clients and. And I feel like this is just that week for us. We got to kind of step away at lunch on Wednesday, and it almost feels like that honeymoon phase you were talking about, those early days where we didn't have enough clients to keep us busy all day and we just got to hang out.
[00:36:40] Speaker C: Great times.
[00:36:41] Speaker A: Okay. Well, I love you, and I will see you later.
[00:36:44] Speaker C: Love you, too. See you Monday.
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